Dievas - confused

So I'm surfing around FaceBook and I do a search on Dievas. I find the FB Page here: http://www.facebook.com/DievasWatchCompany

I click on a link to their pictures of the new Vortex Launch Party here: http://www.facebook.com/DievasWatchCompany#!/media/set/fbx/?set=a.220459504635730.68988.182915551723459


I'm wondering why everyone looks Asian when the watch is made in Germany or so it states on the dial, and I see their Contact info on their Website here: http://www.dievaswatches.com/index-7.html


So tell me, (besides me doing no homework on this company prior to my purchase of the Vortex, thinking it's German made). Why would you have a German name, Made in Germany on your Dial, but yet your main Distributor is located in Singapore?

I really need to study up on a company more and quit making assumptions.

Largest market for Swiss or German watches is Asia, hands down.


http://www.dievaswatches.com/index-2.html

judging from the above blurb, they may well now be an Asian watch company.

Eyal sure isn't Swiss yet he sells Swiss made watches. LOL

http://www.wristwatchreview.com/2008/06/19/dievas-watches-diverse-divers-watches/

They are in fact Asian made and an Asian company.

koimaster wrote:http://www.wristwatchreview.com/2008/06/19/dievas-watches-diverse-divers-watches/

They are in fact Asian made and an Asian company.

So is the Made in Germany label on my dial all Bullshit? Don't tell me this is another Invicta company.

I'm about ready to sell most of my watches and buy a fuckin Kobold Phantom that I know is made in the USA. :ouch:

Watch Noob wrote:

koimaster wrote:http://www.wristwatchreview.com/2008/06/19/dievas-watches-diverse-divers-watches/

They are in fact Asian made and an Asian company.

So is the Made in Germany label on my dial all Bullshit? Don't tell me this is another Invicta company.

no Idea.

I believe that the Vortex is actually made in Germany; the owner of Dievas is named, I think, Anders Tan, who is Asian.

If nothing else, the case is made by Fricker Gmbh, in Germany.

Watch Noob wrote:
So tell me, (besides me doing no homework on this company prior to my purchase of the Vortex, thinking it's German made). Why would you have a German name, Made in Germany on your Dial, but yet your main Distributor is located in Singapore?
I really need to study up on a company more and quit making assumptions.

I believe Dievas is own by a guy (Anders Tan) who also owns Gnomon Watches , a multibrand dealer in Singapore, Dievas is a Singapore based watch Co, without a doubt....Dievas apears to be his "house micro-brand"...
Also believe, that he farm the work to Germany and so the Made in Germany label.

Thanks for the input guys. I may have to make some phone calls or emails about this whole thing to get it straight.

A bit more........with pics
http://www.ww2.com.my/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=243:chapter-11-a-visit-by-the-dievas-watch-company&catid=45:chronicles&Itemid=41&Itemid=2

I am confused. Who ever said this was a German (or Swiss) company? Is this just based on the name? They are pretty up front on their website where they are based. Also one of their main USA distributors Long Island Watch says in the first sentence of the information about the brand that it is from Singapore - http://www.longislandwatch.com/Dievas/About_Dievas_Watches.htm - I guess I never really thought they were Swiss or even German.

It's an asian company that contracts Fricker to make the cases and assemble (with asian parts) in Germany.

TVDinner wrote:I am confused. Who ever said this was a German (or Swiss) company? Is this just based on the name? They are pretty up front on their website where they are based. Also one of their main USA distributors Long Island Watch says in the first sentence of the information about the brand that it is from Singapore - http://www.longislandwatch.com/Dievas/About_Dievas_Watches.htm - I guess I never really thought they were Swiss or even German.

The name Dievas sure doesn't sound Asian to me. The fact that the dial on my Vortex says Made in Germany was another hint.

Watch Noob wrote:

TVDinner wrote:I am confused. Who ever said this was a German (or Swiss) company? Is this just based on the name? They are pretty up front on their website where they are based. Also one of their main USA distributors Long Island Watch says in the first sentence of the information about the brand that it is from Singapore - http://www.longislandwatch.com/Dievas/About_Dievas_Watches.htm - I guess I never really thought they were Swiss or even German.

The name Dievas sure doesn't sound Asian to me. The fact that the dial on my Vortex says Made in Germany was another hint.

Indeed the Vortex clearly said Made in Germany on the dial, yet another model the Aqualuna is stated in their webside as Swiss Made, other models is unclear where are made...
http://www.gnomonwatches.com/Product-view.asp?id=7

DIEVAS is just selling a bunch of Panerai replicas.
I never understand some people, buying a 800$ DIEVAS when you can save alittle bit and buy a 3,000 a real used Panerai in WUS.

The owner of DIEVAS even change he's name to Anders to sound more European LoL now that's dedication. He's real name is Ching Chong.

Slowpo wrote:DIEVAS is just selling a bunch of Panerai replicas.
I never understand some people, buying a 800$ DIEVAS when you can save alittle bit and buy a 3,000 a real used Panerai in WUS.

The owner of DIEVAS even change he's name to Anders to sound more European LoL now that's dedication. He's real name is Ching Chong.

Ok, this is the first time I've questioned a post of yours I believe. WTF are you smoking tonight? Dievas models look nothing like Panerai with the exception of (1) the Vintage. Yes, just like MM everyone has to have a knock off and I'm not interested in the least. If I can't own a real Pan, I don't want one. As far as Mr. Anders name is concerned, I have no idea except to say that the name does not match the descent.

Watch Noob wrote:As far as Mr. Anders name is concerned, I have no idea except to say that the name does not match the descent.

FYI: Ching chong is an ethnic slur for people of Chinese ancestry.

they look cool...for what it's worth.

I'm not Racist but fuck china. The vintage model of DIEVAS is the best selling model. The other models are just dummies. So yeah DIEVAS Yao Ming aka Anders is getting rich selling fake Panerai.

Slowpo wrote:I'm not Racist but fuck china.

Ok George W Bush

Oh god LOL. Sometimes I laugh reading my own posts

Slowpo wrote:Oh god LOL. Sometimes I laugh reading my own posts

Somebody has to.

Hmm... and here all this time I thought that "German Design", "German Engineering", and "Made in Germany" on a watch dial was Latin for "Assembled in Hong Kong."

Who knew...

I'm not Racist but fuck china.

...was Latin for "Assembled in Hong Kong."

My charter as the resident picker of non-WIS nits compels me to note that:

1. If you're aiming a fuck at China, more specifically Hong Kong in the south, you'll miss Singapore by about 1,600 miles.

2. The Republic of Singapore is a Southeast Asian city-state off the southern tip of the Malay Peninsula. It is a parliamentary republic independent since 1959. Said independence was gained from Great Britain rather than China for whatever that may be worth.

It shares a hemisphere with China. Apart from that it's interchangeable with China in roughly the same manner that Venezuela is indistinguishable from the U.S., or Japan is the same as North Korea. It's my understanding that the existing US/Singapore free trade agreement was put in place in no small part due to the fact that Singapore's intellectual property rights implementation is the polar opposite of mainland China's.

As far as my wild-assed guess of an opinion goes, I see no impediment to a Singaporean investor buying ETA movements and shipping to Germany for casing in a Fritter product by local labor. It's not like ETA doesn't share a border with Fritter - they could just toss a box on the local bus.

Dievas does not employ fever-dream MSRPs and retained value thus far looks pretty good. Their grandmother did not build pocket watches for Harold Macmillan to soften him up in a bid for independence. There are no widespread QC or CS horror stories. They use Superluminova for lume and sapphire for crystals on the Vortex - not Tritagibble or Flame Fusion or Krysterna or any other trademarked name based on the ancient Aramaic for "sounds better but works like crap". The case is titanium and their "micro blast" finish has not been reported as being as delicate as a rose petal.

That aside I'd still be POd if the German made marking was simply decoration. I'll be interested what you learn through further research.

But - if it's any small comfort, and it probably isn't: Singapore Ain't China.

Never interrupt a good rant with facts.

Fired this off this morning to start some conversation with the company:

Good morning from the USA, Dievas Team. First let me state that I am a big fan of your watch line after having recently purchased a Vortex. After doing more online research of your company I became confused as to the actual roots and location. Luckily I belong to a few online watch forums and members have helped me out. I understand your main distribution center is located in Singapore, but I see you have others around the world, and Long Island Watch being the closest to me. My concern rose when I saw your Distribution Center locations, but my understanding was the Vortex is produced in Germany. I have verified this now after reading an Interview with Mr. Anders on the “aBlog to Read”. Link attached: http://www.ablogtoread.com/dievas-vortex-diver-watch/



My question is this. I understand that you are sourcing parts from around the world to gain a competitive edge in the market place which is understandable. How will we know which Models from the Dievas line are produced at which locations? Will you spell this out in your Marketing information with a new introduction or in the Technical Specifications? Example, you have just introduced the new Vortex Professional. (Excellent looking watch by the way, congratulations). Where is this Vortex Professional manufactured?



Micro Brands are popping up on every street around the world lately as you well know. Those that will stay in business will have a proven track record with enough disclosure for the WIS crowd to be comfortable. Unfortunately, there are many companies that have started up and are simply “Grocery List” Marketers. Pick from a list of already manufactured parts at dirt cheap prices in China and let someone In China, India, Korea, etc. assemble it. Some companies take is so far as to put Swiss Made on their dials at the 6 o’clock position when in fact upon investigation a tear down of these watches, we find they are not.



I look forward to your response and where the company is headed. Best of luck to the Dievas Team.



Sincerely,

Haagen Daz anyone?

Rabble-rouser

I love a good cut and paste

Well, it looks like Mr. Anders put my main questions to rest. Here is his response to me. BTW, I like a fast response like this.


Dear Jim,

Thank you for your interest in Dievas watches.

Our factory is in Germany and all our watches are made there.

Dievas Watch Company is owned by us. And we are located in Singapore. And that is where the watches will be distributed to.

We are not your normal micro brands who does a one off homage model in China.

We are serious in our design and manufacturing. And that is why we only produce original designs and invest heavily in technology.

And of course our marketing strategy. Ads and writeups can be found both in printed magazines and website alike.

You can also join us at:
Http://www.timetechtalk.com/view_forum.php?id=40

Meanwhile, please let us know if there is anything we can be of further assistance.

Sincerely
Anders T
Dievas Watch Company

A little bit of a contradiction from aBlogtoRead that Eddie sent me last night. I think the term "Made" and "assembled" are not synonomous. Ther Vortex may be 100% produced and assembled in Germany, but their other models may have parts from other countries and assembled in Germany. Note the word "All" in his sentence below.

"Actually the Vortex is all made in Germany, which is not the case for all Dievas watches."

Full article link here: http://www.ablogtoread.com/dievas-vortex-diver-watch/

Indeed... some of his models like the Aqualuna is clearly label Swiss Made as per their own website, some models omit the country of origin.
The Vortex specifically, seems to be an all German made model.

we only produce original designs and invest heavily in technology.

This dude Anders is full of shit, "we only produce original designs" what about the vintage model? Panerai rip-off

Dievas is similiar to Azimuth, Singapore owners but swiss/german made.Fricker does a lot of work for the global market.
Kemke (australian owner, Fricker Made, assembled in germany, hence Made in Germany on the dial)
Kobold ( Based in pittsburg, USA, Ex-Fricker Made, assembled in swiss, hence Made in swiss )
Aegir ( US owner, currently based in Australia, Fricker made, assembled in Swiss, hence Made in Swiss).
I guess one has to ask himself, Do u want a watch made with the best german/swiss parts but funded by foreign money or a watch made by 99% Asian parts with a german owner selling watches out of a mailbox.
As for the racial slur, i don't think there is a need for that here. :( If you are a watch lover and haven't been to spore or HK, well your missing out. Small island states but with big spending power and representation of all largest most prestigious watch brands u can imagine. Threads like this r all over the internet.
http://www.tz-uk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=76203&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=singapore
AS a matter of fact, Singapore is the 3rd richest country in the world/capita and they have 0 natural resources. You have to give them that much for ingenuity.

Interesting thread at TZ.

Is this a translation issue or a rare collectible or neither or both?

Well I got the Vortex and it is superb. I was able to get a Kobold ti band from a Canada seller who had a buyer wanting the head alone. Now I have this all Ti watch, keeps cosc time so far and I wear it constantly.
I have no doubt a watch I will keep forever
I got the early release, SN 65 so it is a Kobald case left over in my opinion.

tomsimac wrote:Well I got the Vortex and it is superb. I was able to get a Kobold ti band from a Canada seller who had a buyer wanting the head alone. Now I have this all Ti watch, keeps cosc time so far and I wear it constantly.
I have no doubt a watch I will keep forever
I got the early release, SN 65 so it is a Kobald case left over in my opinion.

Tom, throw up some pics of it with the new Kobold Ti bracelet on it. Bet it looks awesome.

Congrats, Tom. I love Fricker cases, I came very close to buying a Vortex and I BARELY missed a Subzilla.

Show us the PICS!

Here are some and a shot showing the band and how it fits perfectly
http://www.flickr.com/photos/yorbalinda/sets/72157630655519144/
Regardless of the comments by some, I pretty much know this watch is 100% German. Original series on Ti case and band is Koblad. Also slightly fast, about 4 seconds a day.

koimaster wrote:http://www.wristwatchreview.com/2008/06/19/dievas-watches-diverse-divers-watches/

They are in fact Asian made and an Asian company.

Alain, I believe the Vortex is built by Fricker in Germany and then shipped to Hong Kong to the company. When I purchased the original watch, I recall seeing a photo of the completed watches when they were delivered.

BigCheez wrote:Congrats, Tom. I love Fricker cases, I came very close to buying a Vortex and I BARELY missed a Subzilla.

Show us the PICS!

Just an FYI... Flicker does make some "economy" cases which are made in China. At the end of the day, though, who gives a shit? China is the #1 producer of machine tools, so chances are your Swiss, German, American, etc watch had its case made using a Chinese machine tool. In this day of CAD, a designer in Arkansas (as if) can send a design to Hong Kong electronically in a second. It all comes down to QC. Either I trust the watch while diving or I don't. Swiss, German, etc made on the dial isn't worth the cost of the ink.

Well in this particular watch, a limited run from left on the shelf Kobold
Run, it would be German. Nothing Asian about the case, band or movement. Nothing wrong with that andthe watch is as good as I have ever owned

Go to forums like Timezone.com or thepuristspro, 95% of the collectors there are Asian.

Ryeguy wrote:

BigCheez wrote:Congrats, Tom. I love Fricker cases, I came very close to buying a Vortex and I BARELY missed a Subzilla.

Show us the PICS!

Just an FYI... Flicker does make some "economy" cases which are made in China. At the end of the day, though, who gives a shit? China is the #1 producer of machine tools, so chances are your Swiss, German, American, etc watch had its case made using a Chinese machine tool. In this day of CAD, a designer in Arkansas (as if) can send a design to Hong Kong electronically in a second. It all comes down to QC. Either I trust the watch while diving or I don't. Swiss, German, etc made on the dial isn't worth the cost of the ink.

Correct on every count.

bedlam wrote:

Ryeguy wrote:

BigCheez wrote:Congrats, Tom. I love Fricker cases, I came very close to buying a Vortex and I BARELY missed a Subzilla.

Show us the PICS!

Just an FYI... Flicker does make some "economy" cases which are made in China. At the end of the day, though, who gives a shit? China is the #1 producer of machine tools, so chances are your Swiss, German, American, etc watch had its case made using a Chinese machine tool. In this day of CAD, a designer in Arkansas (as if) can send a design to Hong Kong electronically in a second. It all comes down to QC. Either I trust the watch while diving or I don't. Swiss, German, etc made on the dial isn't worth the cost of the ink.

Correct on every count.

Spoken like people that have never held, let alone owned a fine German or Swiss watch.

I own many, many products that were made in China and have had rigorous QC. Apple and virtually everbody's LCD/Plasma/LED panels for starters.

As for high-end watches, not for a while.

If ever.

Even Seagull itself admits it isn't there yet.

BigCheez wrote:Spoken like people that have never held, let alone owned a fine German or Swiss watch.

I own many, many products that were made in China and have had rigorous QC. Apple and virtually everbody's LCD/Plasma/LED panels for starters.

As for high-end watches, not for a while.

If ever.

You keep believing Cheez. Believing there are no Chinese made components on any of those nice German or Swiss watches requires magnitudes more faith than I could ever muster.

Sometimes it takes a combo to get things right.
I bought a Jaguar when Ford owned the company. Made in Coventry but had a Lincoln Continental engine V8 with the Jag headers. Sweetest most reliable car I own. Gone were the electrical problems and the V8 got better mileage than the V6
13 years old and still runs like new. Proper maintenance has been done of course.