The post that got me banned at watchgeeks

For giggles since a lot of newer members here and elsewhere were banned at geeks recently, I thought I would post what got me banned there. The point of this post by the way is not for my sake, but to show others that questioning the lies and bullshit spewed by a certain group of folks involved at geeks is nothing new. Neither is getting banned there for doing so. The TOS changes a bit too often there for my tastes and there always seems to be some excuse to ban someone. The "high maintenace" article of the TOS means what by the way?

Potger Pietri by Invicta - Swiss Made?

I have read in recent posts elsewhere that Swiss Made Invicta watches were probably made in the Potger Pietri factory or S. Coifman factory. curiosity got the better of me I am afraid so I wrote to someone I know who is a member of the Federation of the Swiss Watch Industry FH and better yet, a member of their legal department.....

His response..........

Dear Alain,




As you may know, Swiss law (Swiss federal Ordinance governing the use of the name "Swiss" or "Switzerland" for watches; please see enclosure) gives the criteria which must be met for a watch to be considered as Swiss and to be allowed to bear Swiss indications.



According to Article 3 of this Ordinance, "the name "Switzerland", indications such as "Swiss", "Swiss product", "manufactured in Switzerland", "Swiss quality" or other appellations which contain the name "Swiss" or "Switzerland" or which may be confused therewith may be used solely for Swiss watches or Swiss watch movements".



Article 1a of the Ordinance states that a watch may be considered as Swiss if, and only if it fulfills the following minimum criteria:

1. Its movement is Swiss; 2. its movement is cased up in Switzerland, and 3. the manufacturer carries out the final inspection in Switzerland.



Furthermore, Article 2 of the Ordinance defines the Swiss watch movement as the movement which: 1. has been assembled in Switzerland, and; 2. has been inspected by the manufacturer in Switzerland, and; 3. the components of Swiss manufacture make up for at least 50 percent of the value, without considering the cost for assembly.



According to article 3 of this law, in case the watch only contains a Swiss movement but does not comply with the other requirements, the dial may only bear the indication "Swiss movement". The word "movement" must appear written out in full in the same type-face, dimension and colour as the appellation "Swiss". (think Renato)


In other words, a watch bearing the terms "Swiss made" on its dial should not only contain a Swiss movement, but this movement should be cased up in Switzerland and the Swiss manufacturer should have performed the final inspection of the watch.

Swiss law territorial scope of application is of course limited to Switzerland in principle, but thanks to some bilateral treaties, this law is also applicable in some European countries. Furthermore, the Federation is very keen to protect Swiss denominations when associated with watches, especially in the USA, where we have registered certifications marks for the words "Swiss" and "Swiss made".


According to Invicta's website, the brand Potger Pietri belongs to their group. The trademark "Potger Pietri" has been registered in the USA by Lalo, Eyal, CEO of Invicta (registration n° 2938664). We do not have any information as to the compliance of the Potger Pietri watches marked "Swiss made" with the Swiss Ordinance mentioned above. WIthout proof that such compliance exists, the watches may not be legally marked "Swiss made".

Hoping that this information will prove to be useful, and staying at your service, I remain,

Yours sincerely



Vincent S***********

Federation of the Swiss Watch Industry FH
Legal Department
CH-2501 Bienne
Tel +41 (0)32 328 08 28; Fax +41 (0)32 328 08 80
www.fhs.ch



http://watchgeeks.net/showthread.php?p=478521#post478521


more info added which includes S.coifman which by the way were apparently rebranded Claude Maylen watches


So I get banned for letting others know I was getting banned after receiving a PM from flybait and Md 20/20


I even got my own thread in the announcement section but they did not mention my name.


this is what Michael posted this evening.... and I bet people fall over themselves believing it. Someone let magster know it was me that was banned.


Today, a post was made by a long term member. It was removed. A PM was sent to that user explaining that the post had been removed, why it was removed and under what conditions it could be re-posted. Instead of dealing with the issue as it was, this member decided to take the note from a member of the admin team and send it to 25 other people. Some on the forum and some off of the forum. This is a violation of our TOS. It states (in part):


Quote:
If the Watch Geeks Moderation Team feels that a user has "crossed the line" one too many times, they will issue the user a warning. This warning may be done via a PM or, if serious enough, may result in an immediate "Yellow Card" and then followed by a PM. This warning will not be discussed on the Watch Geeks public forums nor shared with other members very PM or email - violators will be subject to an immediate loss of their account. (further, see above DO NOT FLAME THE STAFF).

About a month ago, I made a very blunt post that we (the admin team) were going to be strictly enforcing the TOS. We (the admin team) ment what was in that post. Again, everyone needs to go read the TOS. As a result of what happened, this member is no longer with us. Not because of the post that was made, but because of the violation of the TOS. If the admin team has an issue with something that is done on the forum, in needs to be worked out in a prescribed manner.I do take a great deal of pleasure in this response to my posts at this particular forum.


Koi amazes me. His take no prisoners in the pursuit of the truth and let the chips fall where they may reminds me of my dad who always says "it is what it is" and its not something else someone would have you believe it is. In another life alain was probably a top notch investigative reporter. My 2 cents,,,a good man is a good man and shouldnt be condemned for being a good man. Thanks alain for all your research and the time and effort you put into the information you have gathered,,,job well done my friend


Another good guy, Thomas Carey posted his thoughts also.


Hello folks first let me say this is very interesting indeed. I am not shocked in the least and would love to really know for sure where their so called Swiss Made is really made. As a dealer I have time and again lost sales of real Swiss made watches when people have pointed out they can get a Swiss Made Invicta for much less than what were very low prices the I had.

Also i personally have felt the arrogance of the brand when I have tried to connect with top people from the company. I can talk to Jean Claude Biver (Hublot) but not Lalo. Seems really odd to me.

At any rate on my forum we don't allow brand bashing etc. However this seems to go well beyond that. It looks like it would be just reporting on a news item.

I have contacted my FH legal contact which is not the one that was contacted by Alain. I have asked if they intend to take legal action as it would appear that Invicta would be the single largest abuser of the term Swiss Made. If they don't take action against them. They would be fools.

I also have passed info along to others in the industry on the manufacturing end who have also lost sales due to Invictas ultra low priced Swiss watches.

In addition I have passed this along to two of the leading watch bloggers who in turn write for other larger sites and in one case a print pub.

My question is how to find out where these are really being made? What is the truth really? Has anyone tried to get aninvestigative journalist in Switzerland onto this trail? If not you might want to.

In closing I want to point out I am not saying this is at all true. But I would be really shocked if its not.

Best Regards,

Thomas Carey

Is there a website for Potger-Pietri General Invicta Watch Discussions.

watchgeeks.net/showthread.php?t=64444



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HMMMMMM! I would say no at this point.

very interesting that you got banned for that! I had posted enumerable threads on the infectya forum to "READ THE SWISS LAWS"......or, where is the factory????? on and on.......finally got sick of the zombie train.........and call the "triad" all a bunch of liars..........that did it.........lmao

Figures... a site with a hidden agenda, can't win there

Thanks for disclosing the post Alain that got you baned. I feel that they did you a favor and In return you have done us a favor by creating Watchlords. I have never liked that forum because I never looked at It as a true watch community. I remember hearing about that place from the great man himself. We all know how he shamlessly promoted that farce. I also remember after being there for ten min and thinking to myself"this Is nothing but a promotional forum for Infecta/slop". It's been about a year since I became a member there and It has now become nothing but a joke,pitiful place with pitiful people :puggy2:

As I have seen over and over again.......

At WatchGeeks, the truth shall set you free.

But not free to return.

Thank you for posting that ...very eye opening for me ...

WG is a social forum and shameless promoter of Invicta watches. Very little to do with any watches not sold at the Shop. Go look at their Swiss Watch forums and Asian Watch Forums....if they even have these anymore. You'll see a few responses to someone posting about a Rolex or Omega but 10,000 replies about the INCREDIBLE 65mm wall clock in 6 color variations the new GEEKS are wearing. Or the 200 "Call Rebecca. She'll take care of you" posts. Hell, I don't even know what you can and can't read there anymore. I think you have to sign in to read most posts now don't you? I last signed in in Jan of this year to retrieve a PM from a guy that just got back from Iraq. I get my comical fodder here from the covert operations running here to destroy the good name of Jaws, MD 20/20 and King Lalo! LMAO!!!

WATCHGEEK OWNERS!
FUCK YOU ALL YOU FUCK HEADED SHITS!

mark wrote:WATCHGEEK OWNERS!
FUCK YOU ALL YOU FUCK HEADED SHITS!

Somehow I feel your holding something back. Open up and tell us what you "really" think of them...........

mark wrote:WATCHGEEK OWNERS!
FUCK YOU ALL YOU FUCK HEADED SHITS!

Now look what you have went and done, giving "Fuck headed shits" a bad name. These people use to have dignity, but now you had to go and put them with the kids, shame

where do I start?

Skelton stealing members away from BDWF using our PM system (oh yeah fuck twit, no all went to drink the koolaid... do you think things can be kept secret)

Michael Davis calling me a scumbag when I was doing things from the goodness of my heart? Fuck you Davis

Being brought up as a possible hacker when Davis screwed up the permissions of his forum which allowed ANYONE to view the hidden (which were no longer hidden) forums?

Having BDWF members banned from watchgeeks just because they were BDWF members? Then listening to whiny little moderators at geeks complain they got banned from BDWF when BDWF pulled an "Oh yeah, touché mother fuckers" and banned all the moderators ?

Skelton pissing on BDWF in a public forum (facebook)

Skelton making snide remarks on air, about a certain forum which was BDWF

The looks of Skelton and Michael Davis.

There is alot more too. Emails I have, PMs I have etc etc.


F-U-C-K Y-O-U

Those are all good reasons...but to be honest...You really don't need to have a reason to hate those rotten cock suckers.

I just fucking hate them. They deserve to visit Bubba in cell block "C" for about 6 years. Then they will get the same treatment they've been giving.

koi, thanks for that post. And gang...I get a better feeling just being a member here than I ever did at WG. Honestly...it's almost as if those people over there are just trying to scam the dimmest of the dim. That's big business; the Vince McMahons, Benny Hinns, Rupert Murdochs, and Kevin Truedeaus have been doing it for years. Simply put: SOME FOOLS BELIEVE WHATEVER IS TOLD TO THEM ON TELEVISION - AND WON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING WHEN IT'S NOT PRESENTED BY TV.

I like it here. I don't feel like I'm surrounded by people who flunked special class.

Nice thing about this place is sucking up is not needed.

bad thing about this place....sucking gets you reamed by the members who as far as I am concerned are the owners.

I'd post what has gotten my 4 (5? Hell, I lost count) accounts permabanned there, but they've deleted the offending posts whilst sweeping shit under the rug. Oh well...

It doesn't take much to get banned there; any utterance even remotely resembling truth is sufficient.

@Bodypeesur I think the entire forum(shit hole) Is locked down now. About two months ago I tryed to veiw some threads without loging on,no can do,at least not for me.Im also not one bit surprised,again not a watch community, but It Is :BS:

They have a steady supply of fresh wabbits in rotation. From what I see of the posts being shown here from the DEMON FORUM...yes I coined that phrase and was mentioned in MD 20/20's Banning Members thread...most of the people posting have not been members since the forum started. I guess too many old timers put down the Kool-Aid. You're absolutely right Bro I believe you do have to sign in to read the crap bein spewed. I'll pass and let you SPIES look for the info. I'm a fuckin delicate damn flower and can't handle the :BS:

bodypeersur wrote:They have a steady supply of fresh wabbits in rotation. From what I see of the posts being shown here from the DEMON FORUM...yes I coined that phrase and was mentioned in MD 20/20's Banning Members thread...most of the people posting have not been members since the forum started. I guess too many old timers put down the Kool-Aid. You're absolutely right Bro I believe you do have to sign in to read the crap bein spewed. I'll pass and let you SPIES look for the info. I'm a fuckin delicate damn flower and can't handle the :BS:

"Delicate flower"

Thanks Koi fo sharing this again

In your opinion why hasn't the FH taken legal action against Invicta ?

HT

Horse Feathers wrote:Thanks Koi fo sharing this again

In your opinion why hasn't the FH taken legal action against Invicta ?

HT

From my emails with a member of the legal office for them, they are investigating Invicta Watch group. They have been very closed mouth about it but have asked me for photos and any comments made by Invicta or others such as eyal. I have provided what they have asked for.

I bumped this up to show that a certain watch forum and a certain brand have been not quite forthcoming in the truth.

Sounds promising

Thanks for sharing your post. I can share mine, I asked the question in a post what the DD fiasco was. I was on vacation for two weeks and rather than read hundreds of posts and most of the important stuff was gone, I thought it easier to just ask a member to explain. Gone...and who cares. That place is not worth the breath it takes to say their dirty unethical name.

too many good stories to show reasons-----
lets not get started.