Nothing to be COY (KOI) about

Recently Jimbo skelton has been going on about being coy on his temporary stage at shopnbc. I just thought that he and his pets should know I am not being coy right now.

Yesterday was spent is Seattle and a portion of that day was spent with the Federal Trade Commission going over some Invicta Watch Group issues and claims. Under normal circumstances, the FTC does not deal with individual claims. The meeting was not about an INDIVIDUAL one. It was about many. All of the posts in .PDF format were handed over to them the week before and this was a follow-up to that. I will be blunt here, someone needs to get the lawyers working and quickly and I do not mean me. I will go down the list:

1. The wrinkled Mother of Pearl
2. The Diamonds that were not
3. The Sandstone that is not ( according to experts and not Eyal and Jimbo)
4. Moldy cases sent across state lines ( and no notification to the feds I might add)
5. The recent Dubois Claims ( on air and posts)
6. The SWISS watches with Chinese movments
7. The gold layering claims
8. The Ceramic bracelet claims
9. The claims that Dubois-Depraz would be repairing the Invicta Speedway watches

Photos of the items were presented, as was the name of a certain Geologist and the ads from ShopNBC with all of the claims made and debunked. Posts that have been deleted or fraudlulently claimed to be copyrighted are in the possesion of the FTC as are videos that some thought had been deleted.

However, this goes further than this now. Many claims about Customer Service and those Swiss Factories also were discussed with FTC and the recent court doucments related to Plasticase were presented. I remember all of the claims made about that case and wonder if the FTC will approve of them. I was also put into contact with an investigator with the US Customs Agency in reference to the watches labeled Swiss while having Chinese movements. That is apparently a direct violation of US law,

"Under 19 U.S.C.1304, as interpreted by Customs, the country of origin of the movement of the watch or clock determines the country of origin of the watch or clock. Although the addition of the hands, dial, or case adds definition to the timepiece, they do not substantially change the character or use of the watch or clock movement, which is the essence of the watch or clock. Accordingly, a watch with one country of origin for the movement, another for the case, and another for the battery, is considered, for purposes of 19 USC 1304, to be a product of the country in which the movement was produced. The movement's country of origin should appear conspicuously and legibly on the dial face or on the outside of the back of the watch or clock." which Invicta failed to do. Please view the Portal and see the evidence for yourself.


I remembered and gave the FTC a direct quote from Eyal that had been posted at Watchgeeks related to this Topic. That statement is below:


Statement - by Eyal

I have been asked to personally clarify the confusion with the markings on the watches. I feel I have a confident and open enough relationship with our customers to make a clear statement and get this matter clarified once and for all. While I know that it is impossible to satisfy everyone, it is our commitment to keep a top level relationship with our very loyal customer base.


There is a definite gray area in the use of the words Swiss•, Swiss Made•, Swiss Movements•, Swiss Parts•, Swiss Components•, and Swiss Registration•. The fact of the matter is that, like in many multiple-componentproducts, where the country of origin adds value to the product, we tend to highlight that.


A perfect example is the auto industry. You might buy a Mercedes that is manufactured in Mexico using German engineering, some German parts, etc. The brand focuses on highlighting their Germanstandards. Much in the same way, the watch industry does when Swiss is present. Without mentioning brands, it is important to understand that Switzerland almost produces NO watch components except parts associated with the movements, and assembly. What this means is that if you bought a $6000.00 Swiss Made Chronograph from Brand X•, what you are likely buying is a watch that houses a Swiss Made movement (And even the movement components themselves have their own complicated breakdown value. For instance, even if a movement is Swiss Made•, it does not mean every part in the movement was made in Switzerland, only a given percentage of that ) and the watch was assembled and tested in Switzerland.


We do the same, and hopefully that brings clarity to everyone that when we mark a watch Swiss Made•, you are buying a Swiss Made watch with a Swiss made movement, that is assembled in Switzerland. Then we get into the way we use the word SWISS. The the word Swisswas used on watches as a description for a watch using a movement with Swiss part Origins. This includes movements that are bought from SWISS COMPANIES, with SWISS ENGENEERING, that are tested in Switzerland, but has components that are sent off to the Far East for cost purposes to be assembled. Examples of these are ETA, Ronda, ISA, Far East versions•. They were developed to assist in delivering the consumer more value, on an otherwise identical item. Today, the word Swiss is used on watches that are very inexpensive, because the brand used a Swiss Movement Far East assembly version. Yes as companies we do call more attention to this than the fact that the movement is assembled in China, but that is marketing.


Then there is the talk about the Swiss Federation. I cannot speak too much into the Swiss Federation standard because it is a private foreign entity, not a law dictating body, and we do not belong to it for a variety of reasons I prefer not to go into. I respect companies developing a stamp of approval and charging for it, such as COSC, but to be part of a group that develops standards on watches based on the direction of the big playersin the watch industry, and attempting to apply them to smaller companies without giving them a fair chance, is a monopoly, and I am strongly against that. I make this statement on a personal level, and hope that it can bring some level of clarity to this discussion.


Sincerely, Eyal


The above statement really grabbed some attention. It flies in the face if US Customs law and they are now involved with this issue. I will not be coy here either. Last year, Jim Skelton, Michael Davis, and the watchgeek mod going by the moniker George the watch guy ( real name will not be divulged ) threatened me via emails including the use of Hushmail accounts to keep quiet about Jim Skeltons’ past in Florida, Oregon and Virginia and the contents of the Cool Kids and Big Four forum posts. I do not take threats lightly and I do not back down from cowards, white trash or punks. Instead, the boys named above released distorted private information via email to thousands of people, many who contacted me about it.

Subsequent to that, the home where my daughter lives which was one of the adresses released had a vehicle broken into. It was the only vehicle broken into. Attempts to hijack bank accounts to Florida were made and documented by the bank Security people and the Marion County Sheriff (an on-going investigation) there were at least two attempts to open credit cards in my name but a security alert stopped that. The great Jim Skelton and his proxies managed to make my daughter very uncomfortable to say the least about her safety given the rabid response by fanbois of Jim to a post at Betterskills blog. This act by the hero of watchgeeks and his possie of buddies and supporters also endangered my grandchildren since their fathers address was compromised. He is a High School Principal here in Oregon.


Shopnbc was notified of Skeltons’ behavior and they made written claims that they did not have anything to do with Watchgeeks nor with Jim Skelton’s behavior. Law enforcement has taken a different view. What this leads to is a formal notice of ID theft with the FTC was made yesterday naming Jim Skelton, Michael Davis, George (yes I gave them your name and current address) and two others as faclitating ID theft. All of the emails AND private messages coming from the above were given to the FTC. The files are also being fowarded to the US Department of Justice with the help of the nice people in Seattle. Since my bank accounts were affected and the ID of who did this was traced across state lines it is a federal issue, not just a local one.
I hope I am not being KOI about this Jim. Members of watchlords can obtain the number for Customs from me via PM and the FTC reference number to file their own complaints or add to mine. I also will give them the direct fax number with the correct internal address related to this investigation.


Since I am not being KOI about this Skelton and friends of the skel…… You took something from my family which was peace of mind. I will not stop until I take the one thing you seem to need more than anything else in the world, ATTENTION! The next time you and your scumbag friends want to endanger someone, don’t!

Sending emails to me or others about my late wife recently shows just what type of white trash people are. By the way, the android phone which was used to send that email has an IP that CAN be traced regardless of what they told you just as a proxy can.

You have made rather sweeping comments pointing to me as a stalker! You really are a piece of work! I am not the one that made threats via email with my buddies. I am not the one that did a paid background check to see if I could discover anything to hold over someones' head. That was you Skelton. I want to repeat that. It was you STALKING ME! Not the other way around you fraud. You, Michael Davis, the self proclaimed PI George and others I will not name but who I know for a fact took part. Remember skel, you stalked me! Try to remember that next time you open your mouth on the subject.

Therefore, I hope I was not too Koi about all of this Jim.


One more final thing though. Koi I am not. I really am a Son of Bitch when someone endangers my family. I could have chosen to include your family as you did mine, but you are the issue, not them. As far as I am concerned family is off limits but then again, you only think about you and only you.

I am going to give a bit of insight skel boy... my late wife was ill most of her life including an 8 month stay at UCSF while fighting for her life between June 79 and March 1980. She was sent home to allegedly die on my birthday in 1980 but she lived until 2006. I raised my kids, worked full time as a sales engineer and spent 4 hours + a day at my wife's bedside during those 8 months and two years following, helping her recover with Dialysis at home until she received a transplant.

Over the next 25 years she was fighting illnesses to survive. She never wavered, my children never did and I never did. With her death came more responsiblity to my children and now grandchildren. I did not waver while Carol was alive, while taking her off life support nor while putting her to rest.

You and your mother fucking punk groupies like George endangered her children and grandchildren. Do you really think I will waver today from doing what needs to be done to break you. I am not Bruce, nor Lindsey nor any of the others you wronged in the past.

I have more in the works for you and your crew in the near future and there is nothing coy in that comment. Tax problems will be the least of anyones' worries. Jail or bankruptcy is something I see may be in the future of some geek leaders. It may take a bit of time but I have a lot of patience.

I also invite others to help me spread the word with facts about our buddy Jimbo and IWG. You did remark on a cable show viewed by 75 million people to do something, not once, not twice, but three times. I believe you said " don't just talk about it, do it " "and yes that is a challange" Those three vids are here on this site in living color.

You are nothing more that a paid employee of a informercial selling watches. You are not some super star or stud. You are a proven liar and that is well known. You have ZERO credibilty. Now have a very loud conversation with a mirror. You like to hear yourself talk after all.

Done.



I have a nice SANDSTONE & DIAMOND ACCENTED watch for sale........... Cheap.

Now that's KOI

and breathe.........lol

I can't wait til this hits WG.

Great Caesar's Ghost!

Go get 'em, Koi!

Next time you're coming up to Seattle PM me. Maybe we can get lunch.

Skelton wants to turn your ass into his boogina. He's in love!

I just did a Wikipedia look-up on "Shit Storm" and it linked to this thread.

Beware Skelton and all your minions, your Armagedon is at hand.

Zowie!

The definition of a real man is one who takes care of his family and his business, and I think Alain sets the bar.

Thanks for sharing that with us Alain.

phephner wrote:I can't wait til this hits WG.

Unfortunately this sort of truth will never be permitted at WG.

Get 'em, Koi. They'll get what they deserve.

:koolad:

Nobody over there is gonna' un-zip and try to measure up to THAT post!!

Wow, I just read through your entire post Alain. Excellent work. I didn't know some of the history you had listed so I appercaite you sharing with us. We are behind you 110% in this. I would like to see nothing more than justice served to those scumbags at Geeks. Hell, I hope SlopNBC is even brought into this as they knowingly condoned some of his activities. The sad part of this is that Jimblo the face guy will be responsible for bringing down many people in the end. Lalo not exempt by any means. Keep up the good fight bro.

Hopefully this can also make it into the Betterskills Blog in some fashion.

Good job Alain. Sooner or later the shit is gonna hit the fan.

i hope they all get a bite of the shit sandwich

HOO-rah................................

Wow! Great work!!!!! It is perserverence (sp?) like yours that will get this job done. Thanks for all your work and trouble......

I have always heard that you Don't Mess with Texas! Apparently that applies to Koi and his family! Boy oh boy!

What's that I smell? Did some one just open up a HUGE can of Whoop-ass?!

Dr Turk

Excellent summary of ShopNBC and Invicta's deceptive trade practices! :hjlil: :kingo:

Go get 'em Koi!

My rather un-entertaining view of ShopNBC's role in all of this is that they cannot be disentangled from these acts for several reasons:

The wildly exaggerated claims and outright falsehoods were made on ShopNBC sales broadcasts and supplemented by a website (watchgeeks.net) owned by a key ShopNBC employee. This site has been promoted ad nauseum on ShopNBC sales broadcasts as a place to see photographs of new upcoming watch models, photographs only available to members of watchgeeks.net. This claim was made repeatedly on ShopNBC programs to drive traffic to that website.

ShopNBC has been made well aware of the watchgeeks.net site and the controversy surrounding it. ShopNBC has benefited from the promotion of it's products and upcoming sales programs.

Had ShopNBC chosen to, it could have required Skelton to divest himself from the watchgeeks.net website as a requirement of continued employment. They could have conversely required that all references to ShopNBC and it's products/suppliers be removed to eliminate the implicit approval of WG and it's actions. Neither of these were undertaken, so one can only surmise that his employer approved of watchgeeks.net as a marketing vehicle to promote their products and increase their sales.

Subsequently, they are ultimately responsible for what was done by WG admin/owners and their vendors. Responsible for misleading and patently false claims made, and responsible for the actions undertaken by WG admin (presumably to prevent potential "loss of sales" due to information being released about Jim Skelton's sordid past and poor reputation).

Problems with ShopNBC products have been addressed at that site and some degree of actual Invicta customer service was performed there (remember "PM Team Invicta").

All in all, this is ShopNBC and it's parent company's (and shareholder's) problem, as well as a personal problem for Skelton and the individuals that caused the harm.

I hope we can move this to the next level, which would be a class-action lawsuit against ShopNBC and Invicta.

Class action is definitely the way to go. Watch a lot of those supposed "Invictites" turn colors when they think they'd anything for free.

In any event, koi, a tip of the cap to you. I'd say more, but you always yell as me when I express my admiration in my too verbose terms.

That being said, I think more than a few of us here, at the very least, owe you a round.

koi:
Jim, there's a big can of 'chinga tu madre,' right there, on the table. Why don't you help yourself?

Jim:
I have people to serve me, and we're all gonna get some of that.

I never knew The Cheez was a lawyer.
Pretty scary when you look at the circumstances in those terms. Not if, but when this blows up, I'm guessing some heads will roll.

Nothing will happen to anyone on an individual basis until the ligitation sorts itself out.
That's the way of the corporate world.
However, ShopNBC could decide to drop vendors - read the Renato lawsuit. But I believe the sales network will continue to milk all cash cows.

WOW, Go Git' Em!

Im gonna make some popcorn and enjoy "the fall of the house of eyal"

Sweet!

anyone has the ability to READ what is posted here, why would an attorney looking for reference material, need to post here?

Simply put, they are TOOLS!

bigedsurf wrote:anyone has the ability to READ what is posted here, why would an attorney looking for reference material, need to post here?

You have to be a member to see certain forums

Good work, koi. You were told to do something or stop talking, so you did something.

Alan wouldn't the "Lord of Darkness" be interested in the new statements made by on Mike Davis concerning his knowledge of someones ShopNBC amount of values pays and other personal financial information?

DX wrote:Alan wouldn't the "Lord of Darkness" be interested in the new statements made by on Mike Davis concerning his knowledge of someones ShopNBC amount of values pays and other personal financial information?

I wonder if a certain former friend (gwing) and watch collector knows this and if I should warn him of such practices he may change his views at WG's.

I doubt they know unless they lurk here. watchcollector ? HMMMM there is someone complaining about this forum using that ID

he does not complain about this place he does not even ventur into anyother watch forum other than watchsqueeks

Hey Jimblo and MD 20/20

:kd[paskd:

Lord Koi...you da man!!!

I thought I would update this thread a bit.

As everyone knows a certain skel is no longer at the shop venue, instead he was fired and now works for a few hours a week on a ustream video program selling watches to those who care. A long fall for the cigar hustler and former sunglass hut sales boy. Jan at Cascade Cigars in Portland still remembers you and the memories are not fond.

Mike Davis has been exposed as a felon, a fake Navy SEAL, and a guy who did not get his degree as claimed at the University of Texas, nor any degree for that matter but he attended some classes while in an Ohio State Prison serving a 5 year stretch for armed robbery.



George the watch guy has been shown to be a former paid police informant, paid $200 a week for a couple of years by the Columbus Police Department. The guys he testified against implicated him in the crime at trial which is not really important as they were the ones convicted of the crime accused of. He was not on trial. I will not reveal his name now or at anytime as he is a private person, unlike MD and others.

To the morons at Watchgeeks who keep spouting crap about "haters" being banned for being bad boys at WG, wrong! Most former WG members here were banned for being members at watchlords. That was their "crime" so get a grip on the facts first. Nothing COY about that. As for me, I was not banned by WG until October of 2009 long after I left WG in April. In fact it was right after GTWG, Michael Davis and Jim Skelton conspired to threaten me into silence (emails easily produced from all of them including three from Jim Skeltons' personal email account) and then endangered my family. Since most of you don't know you asses from a hole in the ground about what happened perhaps you should keep your mouths closed. Christ you people are bigger fools than even I could imagine.





There was nothing COY about skelton throwing the papers on the desk when he was fired onto the floor, nothing COY about his whining at dinner that night to a shop vendor about how unfair it was that he was fired. I guess he was slapped by a wet fish. Nothing COY about fake sandsotne dials or a non-existent relationship with Dubois Depraz. Nothing Coy about watches with the word SWISS on the dials but made in China, or Mother of Pearl from "eco-friendly lakes" which are so toxic that drinking water is trucked in.

Nothing Coy about the fake story of the Russian Diver not only debunked here but at other forums as well as by the Russians themselves. Nothing Coy about the fabricated story of Invicta and the Invicta Watch Group having a shared history going back to 1959.

Stop telling people that your Invicta is the equal to a Rolex, it is not even close. Stop with the "he grabbed my wrist" or offered me $3000 for my RD" They did not and no one believes you anyway unless they have rocks in their heads. If you do not like what you see here, stay away from the place. We will not miss you here. You only suck bandwidth from those who are interested.

Stay in wallyworld and realize that the "haters" are you, not us. I have never banned someone for being a member of watchgeeks or any other watch forum. I have never posted a death site for a member of Watchgeeks nor of the owners. I have never threatened the life of a Watchgeek member but plenty of you have threatened my life with your emails, tagging my daughters home and breaking into the vehicle parked in her driveway. I won't even discuss the ID theft that resulted from the actions of some of your members. As I said, the "the haters" are watchgeeks and only watchgeeks.

I won't be COY about the white trash at watchgeeks who comment about a deceased woman none of you could hold a candle to. Your mighty leaders made comments about her too behind closed doors until they were exposed for the trash they are. To the ripitrons of watchgeeks, I have said this once and will say it once again, cowards and thugs and nothing more. As the saying went back when, all show, no go. Making comments like that also shows that you have no class at all but that is what I expect from watchgeeks.

Stay and worship the golden one and the felon, a man who pulled a weapon on innocent people, scared them, threatened them in fact, into giving them money. A man who pretended to be a hero until a brave lady he still makes comments about caught him. A lady who is highly thought of in Navy SEAL and special warfare circles. Keep giving him Kudos for his non exisitent Karate and judo awards, all disproven not only here but on other forums. Ask him about his award for being the Karate master of the year in 99. Ask him to show it to you and while at it, ask Eyal for any documentation about his claims regarding the Invicta Russian Diver from 1959.

No watchgeek should be COY about asking those questions.